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Post by American on August 3rd 2013, 12:59 am

So im trying out this new gold per 5 build in lol with ryze you buy all the gp 5 items and get gp5 quints and the gp5 in the talents i get so much extra gold its crazy and you jsut farm all game its pretty great what are your thoughts?
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Re: LoL-GP 5 build

Post by noelbeast on August 3rd 2013, 1:10 am

American wrote:So im trying out this new gold per 5 build in lol with ryze you buy all the gp 5 items and get gp5 quints and the gp5 in the talents i get so much extra gold its crazy and you jsut farm all game its pretty great what are your thoughts?

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Re: LoL-GP 5 build

Post by American on August 3rd 2013, 2:54 am

Noel i don't care that your a teacher but don't bring your teacher grammar nazi ness into here.
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Re: LoL-GP 5 build

Post by Maxi on August 3rd 2013, 8:09 am

Try following runes and masteries:

Runes:
Hybrid Penetration Marks
Gold Seals
Magic Penetration Glyphs
Gold Quintessences

Masteries:
9-0-21
In Offence tree, put the points to Sorcery, Blast and Arcane Knowledge.

In Utility tree, put the points Summoner's Insight, Wanderer, Mastermind, Expanded Mind, Greed, Runic Affinity, Wealth, Intelligence and Nimble.

In game build as normal if you are winning. But if you are falling behind in farm and/or kills get GP5 items. Some point sell those items to finish your build.

I have tried this and it has been working fine. In good game I have almost finished my build in 30 minutes.

Let's see how you do with this build.

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Post by American on August 3rd 2013, 8:25 am

Thats exactly what i do except i always back at 1.1k gold and buy both philosopher stone and kages lucky pick something like 100gp5 and ya 30 minutes is about the same time its great since all you gota do is farm and hug your turret i just had a game were our adc had 13 more kills then me but only beat me by 1k gold
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Re: LoL-GP 5 build

Post by YourTasteInWomen on August 3rd 2013, 1:38 pm

The items are probably unnecessary, they take a long time to pay themselves off. Example Philo stone, if you sell it 14 minutes and 40 seconds after you buy it, you gain exactly nothing nor lose anything other than the regen stats for those 14:40, after that you start making money. It will then take you another 13:20 for that item to flat out buy you a Blue crystal. You won't buy it until 5 mins in meaning that you don't really get another item towards your build until after 30 mins, which you say you are full build by anyway. Kages is even less efficient. In fact I can do the maths on that too if you want:

2GP10 maths:
So lets say at 6 mins in you go back with your 1.1k, that way you have had 4 mins of laning to get your 1k of gold and make your lane safe enough to leave, which if you are hugging turret is a reasonable guess, feel free to tell me if I'm wrong. You then buy both GP10 items giving you 9 gold per 10 seconds at the cost of 1465 gold in total and they have a sell value of 662 combined making it an investment of 803 gold. 803/9=89.2222 ticks of 10 seconds which happen 6 times per minute so 89.22222/6= 14.87037037 minutes to pay off completely so lets say 15 mins because decimals are boring especially when they recurr. This means that at 21 mins you start making money. You wanted full build at 30 mins giving you 9 mins left of pure income. 9*6*9 (gold per 10*6 to make it per minute*minutes) 486 gold. Congratulations you earned a blue crystal and a ward at the cost of mediocre early stats and probably a stall on tear charging seems you could have bought both tears for the cost of those items.

Runes and masteries maths:
As for the runes and masteries you get 2 every 10 from masteries, 3 every 10 from the 3 quints and 0.25 per seal every 10 making 2.25 overall from them. Totalling to 8.25 gold per 10 from the start, which is 49.5 per minute which at 30 mins is 1485 gold, which is significantly worth it in my opinion as I don't want to go and work out the cost of all the stats you lot out on from the 21/9/0 or 21/0/9 alternate trees or from going MS quints and armour yellow.

Overall with a bit of rounding you earned 2k gold (1971) from all of it in those 30 mins it takes you to get full build, of which 1.5k (1485) came from runes and masteries and 500 (486) came from itemisation.

This is all assuming you didn't get avarice as it gives you no decent stats at all so I should maybe add that in:

Avarice maths:
This is harder to do because it's farm dependant, so I'm gonna say you sell the item at 30 mins, buy it at 10 mins and say you farm a very decent 200 creeps in those 20 mins seems that is a good target farm for someone good at farming and you say you're just gonna farm. This also helps because every creep gives you 2 extra gold and avaice blade costs 800 and sells for 400 meaning that if you farm exactly 200 creeps in the time you have it, it sells itself off just in that part of it's gold. So then you have 3 gold per 10 seconds, 18 gold per minute, 360 gold in 20 mins. Which we can add to the previous 486 from the other 2 items and you have 846 which is a bit better as you now get TWO BLUECRYSTALS AND A POT OMG

This brings total gold earned with 200 farm between the 10th and 30th minute assuming you buy philo and kages at 6 mins and avarice at 10 mins and sell them all at 30 mins to finish your build to 2331 Which is almost a "free" archangels staff. But you do lose out on a fuckton of laning stats and the movespeed, armour, AP and damage increase fomr your runes and masteries which up 1500 of that gold. So y'know, it seems worth it as long as your lane goes well, but if you get shut out of lane then it's a terrible thing to do, and you're already fucked because you can't change your runes and masteries obviously.
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Re: LoL-GP 5 build

Post by American on August 3rd 2013, 4:35 pm

Well i havent been shut out of cs ever i always finish games with 250 plus cs and i dont buy avrice blade and phil stone and kages i build them both into new items not always phil stone unless its like someone with a stun in my lane.. The point to the build is to farm and not go for kills thats going off doing wraith and wolf camp and taking teleport to get back to lane faster i use that alot and it workls great with ryze because he is a mid to lte game champ so defensive is a good way to play
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Post by YourTasteInWomen on August 3rd 2013, 6:01 pm

yeah but a build with GP10 items in is weaker unless you are support, there is no point on ryze having items that build out of GP 10 because the optimum build is: Sorc shoes, Muramana, Archangel, Iceborn gauntlet, Rod of Ages, and it used to be BV but it doesn't give mana anymore so for MR you may want a GA or something, maybe SV for the CDR and health regen plus the added effects of healing on your ult spell vamp, although a possible WOTA for that could be nice also, alterantively you could go for a FH against AD teams of even a deathcap if you wanted to get some more AP as his ratios aren't actually bad, just overshadowed by his Mana ones, alterantively you could go for a GA for resists and survivability. I don't see the point in egtting, twin shadows, shard, shurelia or mikaels tbh. I suppose being that far ahead you could maybe afford elysia's out of philo but idk I reckon it own't be worth it considering how soom you'll lose the GP 10 because you have to do it at level 15


Plus, you don't have to be shut out of cs to not get 200 farm in 20 mins, it gives the margin of you failing last hits, which isn't meant to be offensive, but players that aren't plat+ tend to do it
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Post by American on August 3rd 2013, 6:45 pm

Taste have you tried it? its very nice build and this is what i based mine off of

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/athene-ryze-guide-327752
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Post by YourTasteInWomen on August 3rd 2013, 8:06 pm

I'm terrible at ryze, I hate champs that have to stand still to cast :/
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Post by American on August 3rd 2013, 10:37 pm

Lol hes great cause you can just spell vamp all there damage just q-w-q-r-q-e-q-w-q so fast attacks like that happens over 4 seconds
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Post by YourTasteInWomen on August 4th 2013, 1:49 am

yeah plus seems cdr is so strong you can get a spirit visage and take the piss, but I just personally have trouble, ohwell
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